Quick Note: Chien-Ming Wang
April 12, 2008 – 12:43 am
Source: Getty Images
I hate to start this article off all doom-and-gloom style, but I’m already unhappy with where this analysis is going. This still accurately captures the intensity of pitching for the Yankees, but it also indicates two things I am probably going to dislike in Wang’s delivery:
- He is showing the ball to CF/2b, which unnecessarily increases stress on the UCL, and
- He is taking the ball laterally behind his body, commonly called “reverse rotation.” However, as an addendum, he does have his elbows below the shoulder in this picture, so when I analyze the video, it might be okay.
Let’s check out the video…

Looks like I was wrong: I actually like quite a bit of what I see here.
- Arm Action: Good. He sweeps his arms down, back, and out in a pendulum swing. His arm is up at footstrike, and he keeps the elbow below the PAS shoulder. He avoids excessive reverse rotation, and naturally “scap loads,” rather than forcing the issue. However, he does show the ball to CF/2b, which I don’t like, as stated before. Otherwise, very good.
- Tempo: Great. 19 frames to footplant from maximal leg lift.
- Ball Release: Excellent. Gets a ton of hip/torso separation (most important piece of velocity), points the PAS shoulder at the target, and powerfully throws with his whole body.
- Followthrough: Excellent. Casual viewers will see what looks like gloveside flyout and not throwing against a firm front side, but it’s actually the opposite. Wang brings his chest to the glove and lets his arm travel across his body as his shoulders continue to rotate. He does indeed firm up the front side during the followthrough step, even tucking the elbow into his side to some degree (which I love). It’s only after his arm is about done with the followthrough step and into recovery where his GAS flies back, which I have no problem with. Furthermore, he aggressively brings his PAS leg up and to the side of his body, and though I’d like a bit more rotation, his great followthrough step compensates for it.
Mechanical Conclusions
I’d only change the fact that he shows the ball to CF/2b; I’d prefer if he turned it more towards third base at footstrike. Otherwise, very good. I suspect (but can’t tell without high-speed video) that he pronates hard through release to get the great sink he does on his fastball/changeup combinations, and I also think his slider is safer than most for the same reason. How about that pitch on the video, eh? Pretty nasty. Hard tailing pitches are my favorite ones, not only because they are extremely hard to adjust to, but because they are so effective against hitters from both sides of the plate and because you need to pronate hard to get that kind of action.
Let’s check out his pitch selection:
| type | Speed (MPH) | Break x (inches) | Break z (inches) | Balls | Strikes Called | Strikes Swinging | Foul/Foul tip | In play outs | Singles | Doubles | Triples | Home Runs |
| Sinker | 94.08 | -6.89 | 6.64 | 167 | 70 | 16 | 88 | 83 | 21 | 2 | 0 | 1 |
| Slider | 85.14 | 1.41 | 2.6 | 41 | 15 | 20 | 16 | 12 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Change | 81.42 | -5.87 | 7.82 | 21 | 2 | 9 | 10 | 7 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
That is some ridiculous lateral movement on his sinker, and he combines it with great depth. You can compare it to his changeup, which actually sinks less than his sinker, which is pretty much unheard of.
Interestingly enough, Wang doesn’t really pound the bottom half of the strike zone with his sinker:

He primarily works the middle and bottom thirds of the strike zone, rather than aiming low. Wang’s got great movement on his sinker, though, so hitters are probably naturally swinging over it due to the perception of the location, rather than the actual location itself. That’s even better than pounding the bottom part of the zone, because failure to pick up the real location of the pitch is what gets you soft contact.
When you put together a primary pitch that sinks more than the average changeup and combine it with a slider with great tilt and depth, who cares if you have a third pitch? Wang manages to work in his changeup anyway, which has great velocity differential and decent enough movement on its own. Clean mechanics, plus velocity, and deceptive pitches? Sounds good to me.
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14 Responses to “Quick Note: Chien-Ming Wang”
Something I notice Wang does. He punches his glove twice before breaking his hands. Although very slight. Not a bad technique used for timing. Here is a GIF of what I mean.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa173/xvue84/pitching%20clips/wangdoublepunch.gif
By xv84 on Apr 12, 2008
xv84,
Huh. Interesting.
By Kyle on Apr 12, 2008
He added the punch in spring training this year to help with his timing.
By Blake on Apr 12, 2008
here’s a stat for you: 3-0, 1.67 ERA
By aj on Apr 12, 2008
I see it somewhat different.
Wang exhibits more “arm drag” than is necessary. The reason is due to the fact that when he breaks his hands and brings the pitching arm (ball) back behind him he tucks his elbow behind his body.This delays his arm reaching the cocked position at front (left) foot land resulting in the most stress possible on the shoulder, arm dragging . Your observation as to showing the ball also adds to the delay I have observed.
I am not an expert but I do believe Wang is in need of some tweeking.
By jose on Apr 12, 2008
Hey, in that picture you can see Wang’s grip! Is it possible for a batter to see his grip from the plate?… and therefore, would they know what he’s gonna throw? It’d be like a tell!
But, I suppose, if they could, then he’d be getting walloped all the time, especially homerun-wise. But still. Can a batter see that far?
By georgecantstandya on Apr 13, 2008
jose wrote: “Wang exhibits more “arm drag” than is necessary. ”
This “arm drag” that you describe creates separation. The reason he has to create separation this way is because he is somewhat slow to the plate. Wang also doesn’t create momentum with his glove arm that well. He tucks his glove early.
By xv84 on Apr 13, 2008
Yes,When He sweeps , his arms down
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5250/wangtd9.jpg
By Lion Attackyou on Apr 13, 2008
cantstandya,
I don’t think it matters that they see his grip, and I would imagine, yes, that hitters can see it. It might only matter on a change-up, but fastball v. slider would look about the same, gripwise. If he threw a splitter it’d be a huge problem.
By Joe on Apr 13, 2008
Kyle,
I love the site. Especially the pace at which the analysis is coming
I’d be really interested to hear what you think about Liriano. After his injury BBTF had an article about his mechanics and thought they were excellent from start to finish. This is a picture from pre-injury that I find concerning:
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2008/0128/20080128__080129liriano_300.jpg
But what I’m more interested in is how he is throwing now. Based on almost solely what I’ve learned from reading your analysis I think his mechanics look safer now, but I’d love to hear what you think.
By SL__72 on Apr 13, 2008
I’ve been thinking about Wang’s “arms” action. Reminds me of Roy Halladay, both his glove and throwing arm.
By xv84 on Apr 13, 2008
As a Taiwanese, I follow Wang closely since his debut. He actually has the punch fairly early, probably since his first year, at least second year in the MLB. He only does it when no ones on base or if stealing is not possible. Ex. runners on 3rd base. It’s part of his “full procedure”, compared to his “limited procedure”, when stealing is a possibility. He usually pitches better with the punch, maybe because of the better timing, the lack of distraction from runners, or both.
Nice blog (both yours and xv84’s), keep them coming.
By Mike Chou on Apr 13, 2008